On my Facebook link to the Portal 27 episode above

Hi Mark,

These are two of the smartest guys I have come across, talking about the most complex and difficult issue of the greatest importance to everyone alive; in a way that should be available to most people if they give it their full attention.

In 3.5 hours they give a reasonable introduction to the major issues present right now. I only have one major gripe – their failure to acknowledge the necessary evolutionary conditions for the emergence and stabilisation of complexity. But other than that, an excellent discussion – well worth the time.

I have not spoken to Eric directly myself (but have probably spent 50 or so hours listening to him in conversations with others), but I have spent a couple of hours in conversation with Daniel (just the two of us), and we have exchanged quite a few ideas directly by email and comment over the last few years (plus probably a hundred of so hours of reading and listening to him online).

Watching some of David Snowden on complexity is a great intro.
These Wikipedia article and two videos are a great start:

Getting your head around Jordan Peterson is another essential piece, and there are no shortcuts with him – I spent about 300 hours reading and watching – both his books and all his video lectures. But if you had only 20 or so hours, then his latest Maps of Meaning series on youtube will give you 70%.

And I say this being clear that I don’t believe anyone or any thing. All of my understandings are based in balance of probabilities, and the only person I have ever read that I did not find significant errors in their thesis was Kurt Goedel.

And maybe the fact that I have spent about half of my time over the last 50 years thinking about these issues makes me more than a little weird.

And I still highly recommend listening to these two in full, even if you lose the thread from time to time. You should get it back again.

And any of these guys give you tools to go deep, as abstract as you want to go.


About Ted Howard NZ

Seems like I might be a cancer survivor. Thinking about the systemic incentives within the world we find ourselves in, and how we might adjust them to provide an environment that supports everyone (no exceptions) - see www.tedhowardnz.com/money
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