Comment to Giovanni on values

Giovanni shared Mike Watson’s Post on Facebook – but the post and all comments have since been removed.

Good question Giovanni Santostasi
When one reads Plato’s Republic it is easy to see at least two levels present, and a third is reasonably visible.

Democracy has always been a complex set of complex adaptive systems – never simple.

The more one is able to see such complexity, the more one is able to make real choices.

And such freedom demands responsibility.
All complexity requires boundaries to maintain it.
And the boundaries that worked in the past are not necessarily the ones most useful in either the present or the future – hence the eternal mythic struggle between the Tyrannical Father of culture (the order from the past), and the leader with their eye(s) open (exploring the chaos of the unknown for the treasures present there).
We need boundaries, and those boundaries must be of sufficient complexity, flexibility, permeability, etc to maintain the complexity and diversity required for survival and freedom.

Having a value paradigm based in “value in exchange” has all manner of incentives – leading to the many levels of “fake news” we see all around.

Being able to see that our exponentially expanding computational abilities deliver an exponentially expanding ability to automate systems, which delivers an exponentially expanding ability to deliver universal abundance of an exponentially expanding set of goods and services; is step one to seeing that the idea of “value in exchange” embodied in markets, is becoming the single greatest existential risk to complex life like ourselves.

But markets are not simple.
They are not merely about exchange of goods and services.
Markets mediate many essential sets of distributed systems, involving information, governance, trust networks, risk mitigation.

Simply breaking markets, without having tried and tested distributed alternatives for all the many very complex systems currently embodied in markets is a cure worse than the disease.

So yes – seeing fake news, in its many guises, is an essential step.

And very little about this is simple.

And there is one of Jordan Peterson’s 12 rules for life that is most applicable – every level – rule 8 – “Tell the truth – or, at least, don’t lie”.

It seems that we all live in our own personal virtual realities, even as it seems probable that those virtual realities are embodied within a wider reality. It is clear we can have no direct experience of the wider reality. All of our experience is necessarily of our personal, subconsciously generated, model of reality – and as such, subject to every level of influence from the undistinguished implicit assumptions imposed by physics, biology, culture, language, and choice.
Not much at all that is simple about being human.

The more we accept the over simplifications of others, the more we are influenced by them.

Being willing to challenge, to test, to ask questions, about anything and everything, seems to be one of the things that truly makes us human, just as being the most cooperative species on the planet is also fundamental to our existence.
We each need to develop the skills to balance self reliance, with self doubt.
To trust our intuitions at least enough to test what needs to be tested.

It seems that being human, is to each, individually, and eternally, create a workable balance between order and chaos – every level – recurs to however many levels you choose to explore.

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