Ideapod – World Peace

Ideapod – Thought Leaders Forum – Is World Peace Possible?

Agree in part with Michael Walzer – that within the economic and governance frameworks we have today peace is not a stable or high probability outcome. And to me that simply means that it is time that we take the choice to transcend dominance based hierarchical governance for distributed and consensus based governance; that we transcend scarcity and competition based economics for abundance and cooperative based systems empowered by advanced automation that deliver abundance and security to all, no exceptions. That option wasn’t available even 50 years ago, it is now.

Agree with Bineta Diop, that until the vast majority are prepared to reject violence (except in response to violence, and then only to subdue, not to kill), then peace will elude us. And to me, that is relatively easy to achieve once one understands the profound evolutionary power of cooperation, and the need for multi-level attendant strategies to attend cooperation to prevent cheating.

Agree with Rebecca MacKinnon that peace means the elimination of violence at all levels of social organisation – individual upward, except in so far as violence is required as a response to prevent further violence. I suspect that at ever more abstract levels it will always be the case that the price of liberty will be eternal vigilance.

Disagree with Thomas Pogge. I acknowledge the existence of parties who have interests in maintaining conflict, and see that those parties essentially have a very short term view of self interest. When one extends the view of self interest, peace is the necessary outcome. It is always possible that there will be more powerful entities out there somewhere that will perceive you as a threat if you are not acting peacefully to all those around you. That is true on world scales, galactic scales, cosmic scales, and perhaps even multiverse scales. When one has a reasonable probability of living a very long time, then such considerations become very relevant.

Agree with Gillian Tett in a sense, that world peace is not a stable concept within the economic framework we have in place at present. And I suspect my rationale goes far deeper. We need to transcend market based economics. It is time for post scarcity thinking.

Agree with Ethan Zuckerman, that peace without empowered freedom is tyranny. Our primary allegiance needs to be to sapience before any allegiance to nation or family or any other sort of grouping.

Agree with Carne Ross in a sense, that it is not possible to achieve peace within existing economic and governance frameworks.

Disagree with Jay Winter and Kant in a very deep sense, and see no need for brushfire wars. And certainly real freedom demands an ability to make mistakes, and peace will only ensue to the degree that the deepest of thinkers and actors are prepared to act in their own and the common community’s long term best interests. I am not talking about any sort of perpetual sameness, and I am talking about a level of awareness that can clearly see that systemic violence does not serve the long term self interest of any group or subgroup – not really.

Agree with Peter Morales that peace involves developing collaborative structures (but not interdependence, it actually needs independence).

Agree with Kishore Mahbubani that war becomes less likely to the degree that we can all see that it is not in our self interest.

Agree with Nancee Birdsall that we have the potential to achieve the goal, and it is in the self interest of all of us to do so.

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Hi Tracy,

Having been designing and writing computer systems for over 40 years, I have no doubt that the smart settle system has some interesting features and uses, and I have very strong doubts that it is any sort of real solution to the issues we face.

One of the biggest issues is that very few people are actually aware of exactly what it is they do, or what it is they value. Usually a good test of value is to take something away and see how they react – and even that simple method has many pitfalls.

Fewer people still have any real idea of the sorts of paradigms they use operationally, and the relationships of that set of paradigms to other paradigms in use by others, or yet other sets that are available to be used – Wolfram’s work is very interesting in this aspect.

I’ve spent a lot of time in politics (local, regional and national – less so international), and there are some very interesting tool-sets out there with respect to negotiations and engagement.

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Hi Tracy

I agree that the dampened pendulum arbitration offers many benefits over many classical attempts at problem resolution, and my argument goes far beyond that.

It would be fair to characterise my issue as being around the paradigms one uses to define an efficiency frontier.

I contest Kort’s claim that moving from competition to cooperation is an unsolved problem – the solution to that problem was abundantly clear in 1978 when I read Dawkins’ classic 1976 work “The Selfish Gene”.

My contention is that the value measures one uses in conditions of real scarcity are very different from those one uses in conditions of radical abundance. I contend that our socially dominant market based value measure is derived from scarcity based measures and values; and as such cannot deal meaningfully with universal abundance (it delivers a kind of Nash equilibrium in an abstract sense).

We have the technical tools to deliver universal abundance, but our conceptual toolkit cannot.

About Ted Howard NZ

Seems like I might be a cancer survivor. Thinking about the systemic incentives within the world we find ourselves in, and how we might adjust them to provide an environment that supports everyone (no exceptions) with reasonable security, tools, resources and degrees of freedom, and reasonable examples of the natural environment; and that is going to demand responsibility from all of us - see
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