A new Dark Age

A New Dark Age?

Joergen Oerstroem Moeller

It is often so difficult to see exactly what people mean by terms.
When he speaks of going beyond materialistic cultures, I wonder what he might mean.

To me, it seems clear that as a society we can most powerfully progress by establishing an agreed values set that has at the top of the list:
1/ Sapient life forms – human and non-human, biological and non-biological.
The second item on that list would then be:
2/ Individual freedom. Freedom in this sense is not the sort of licence to follow one’s every whim, but is a more conscious freedom to responsibly exercise one’s creativity and self expression in a way that does not unduly endanger the life of any other sapient entity, or unnecessarily restrict the freedom of any other individual.
A lot of consequences flow from these two, like restricting reproduction, care for the environment that sustains us all, etc.

So I see our society becoming material in the sense of caring for the material needs of every human being, and the ecosystems that support us, and I also see us going well beyond the simple norms of today where people work to survive.
I see people having the material and intellectual freedom to do whatever they responsibly choose.
This will necessitate an exponential expanding diversity, and the radical tolerance that such diversity necessitates. So it will be a very different sort of environment from the culturally and legally mediated norms that exist today.

So – yes times of change, and yes the potential for things to go “belly up” and also the potential for outcomes that are positive beyond the ability of most to conceptualise at this point.

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Some truth in what you say Torch.

And money is just an idea, a myth in a sense.
What it represents are goods and services, now or at some future time.

The potential for goods and services exist in the physical reality, the resources, the people and the technology and the organisation and the flow of information – not in the money. Money is just an illusion in this sense – a false representation.

The people and resources and systems exist.

The presence or absence of money does not change that existence.

It is only the belief of people in the idea of money that makes the existing system work as it does.

Once people start to see that the emperor has no clothes – then something else becomes possible.
And each person has to be able to see it for themselves.

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I don’t think it is the 0.001% that are the problem. They are just the ones that happen to be on top of the heap.

The real issue is the beliefs we have that make the system what it is.
Take those beliefs away, the system changes.
Leave the beliefs there, and if it isn’t that 0.0001% it will be another.
In a sense, most of them are just as much slaves to the system as the rest of us, they are just somewhat more comfortable in their slavery 😉

About Ted Howard NZ

Seems like I might be a cancer survivor. Thinking about the systemic incentives within the world we find ourselves in, and how we might adjust them to provide an environment that supports everyone (no exceptions) - see www.tedhowardnz.com/money
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