Conversation with Tom on Facebook

Conversation with Tom on Facebook

You seems to be mixing a few metaphors and having a slight hubris attack there my friend.
Godel’s theorem is IMNSHO one of the greatest works of the human intellect. It applies where all the starting conditions are known.

It most certainly does not apply to human beings.
If we could have somehow taken a snapshot of all of our molecules, and if we had been looking at them at 100 molecules a second since the beginning of our universe, we would still not be 1% of the way through looking at that one snapshot.
The molecules essential move about 10^40 times a second, and are 90% replaced every 7 years.

Reality is we know sweet Fanny Adams about our starting conditions.

Our subconscious processes are so much vaster than our consciousness, we will always appear mysterious to ourselves – no other option. Get used to it, enjoy the ride, and don’t get hung up on classifying things as binaries (right/wrong, masculine/feminine) when the reality is that most things belong to infinite spectra.

No one can know a single infinity, let alone an infinitude of of infinities.

We all have to make judgements, but don’t get too attached to them being too accurate too often. We all make mistakes, lots of ’em.

I find treating any aspect of reality as a binary to be a mistake.

Glad to see you’re still exercising that amazing mind of yours.

Arohanui

Ted Howard

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Hi Tom,

My understanding is subtly different.
I agree with you on the point that knowledge (in the sense of absolute) does not exist in respect of reality, and thus all “knowledge” has a probability function associated with it, and all knowledge could in fact be inaccurate in some way.

I am very well. Had a 2% party 4 weeks ago – 2 years to the day after being given a 2% chance of living 2 years.

Have been putting a lot of attention to markets and finance.

Just finished my term as president of the Lions Club.

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Yeah
Markets are a great tool for allocating scarce resources, and very poor at creating abundance (ie they cannot do it) – abundance and markets are a contradiction in terms – anything really abundant (like oxygen) has zero market value.

Letting market values (money) dominate our long term thinking is a recipe for disaster – cannot work.

My latest critique is on my blogsite http://www.tedhowardnz.wordpress.com – both on the main page at present, and linked off the money page.

It would be nice if people can wake up to what money is good for, and what it isn’t (ie it isn’t a substitute for human value), without having the chaos of complete collapse of the support systems and consequent mass poverty.
And I have my doubts that anything less will suffice to shake people out of their attachment to markets and all the attendant stuff (marketing, finance, ….).

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That opens the whole question of what is physical and what is conceptual?

Can we as awarenesses ever have any direct contact or knowledge of reality? (I suspect not – I suspect that we are always insulated by at least two levels of system, senses and brain model of reality.

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Have you seen Wolfram’s recent talk at Oxford – http://podcasts.ox.ac.uk/computation-and-future-mathematics-video – well worth a look.

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It seems highly probable that our awareness only has the conceptual to work with. It seems that awareness is pure software, and that all it has to deal with directly are software constructs that are models of “reality” at some level (usually at least two levels removed from that reality).

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The illusions of culture can take a long time to become obvious, and in another sense they are necessary illusions, necessary steps on the infinite path to awareness of the infinite.

So it seems we must all, logically, have understandings that are necessarily limited in aspects that we are ignorant or misinformed on.

And the journey has been an interesting one thus far, and seems from my current vantage point to offer the promise of infinite interest to come (should I be lucky enough to survive that long).

About Ted Howard NZ

Seems like I might be a cancer survivor. Thinking about the systemic incentives within the world we find ourselves in, and how we might adjust them to provide an environment that supports everyone (no exceptions) - see www.tedhowardnz.com/money
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